Route 10 Reptile Expo

Come out and join us July 15th at our new location, the route10 show will be at the Chesterfield fairgrouds from 9am-4pm. Address is 10300 Courthouse rd. Chesterfield va 23234.

Silly question. I've never been to a reptile show and I'm wondering how purchases go. Is it cash and carry or do vendors accept credit cards?

Some Vendor's will and do accept credit cards... others are simply cash and carry... It depends on the vendor and if they have the tools ( credit card machine ) to accept them...

Cash is usually your safest bet. If you're not comfortable carrying a lot on you, most vendors will hold a snake if you leave them with a portion of its worth. You could always have $100-200 for a down payment and wait to withdraw big money if you find something you want.

Stray wrote:

Cash is usually your safest bet. If you're not comfortable carrying a lot on you, most vendors will hold a snake if you leave them with a portion of its worth. You could always have $100-200 for a down payment and wait to withdraw big money if you find something you want.

Cp3_Pythons wrote:

Some Vendor's will and do accept credit cards... others are simply cash and carry... It depends on the vendor and if they have the tools ( credit card machine ) to accept them...

Thanks!

Stray wrote:

Cash is usually your safest bet. If you're not comfortable carrying a lot on you, most vendors will hold a snake if you leave them with a portion of its worth. You could always have $100-200 for a down payment and wait to withdraw big money if you find something you want.

A handful of cash is always the best negotiating tool.

Thanks Clarence I was logging on to post the show and you beat me to it,lol.

do you have a vendors list by chance? also what does it cost for a table??

Tables are $50 for 1 and 2 for $80, we will but out a vedor list by july 10th when we have all the names submitted for the expo.

Glad you guys got a new venue. Hoping to get the day off work, but it's looking doubtful :/

Thanks and hopefully you can make it.

We won't be vending at this one. Sadly, the issues between the promoters of this show and with the Richmond Expo continue and I've already paid for a table at the Richmond Expo.

Don wrote:

We won't be vending at this one. Sadly, the issues between the promoters of this show and with the Richmond Expo continue and I've already paid for a table at the Richmond Expo.

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Docwade87 wrote:

Don wrote:

We won't be vending at this one. Sadly, the issues between the promoters of this show and with the Richmond Expo continue and I've already paid for a table at the Richmond Expo.

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Unfortunately, this area isn't large enough yet to support two reptile shows almost back to back so vendors have their choice of which show they would like to support.

With Vinny and myself there are no issues with Larry, Larry made it clear that any vendor who vends at a Route10 expo is banned from all Richmond shows and he will ban them from doing Hamburg shows aswell. Personally I don't feel like that is correct and vendors should have a choice where they would like to vend. If that's how Larry choose to run his business that's fine with us. If a vendor makes $1800 at a route10 show and $3000 at a Richmond show that vendor just made $4800 so having to make a choice seems alil extreme. All that drama is for the birds, vendors just want to be at a place where they can have a good time, meet ppl and make some extra money. Just want to clear the air Route10 is for the people by the people we have no drama with anyone and if you would like to come and meet your everyday enthusiast please come and enjoy what we have to offer. Competition is what drives us to do better, we put this show together so the everyday enthusiasts or smaller scale breeders can have a show where everyone is equal.

Galaxy ball wrote:

With Vinny and myself there are no issues with Larry, Larry made it clear that any vendor who vends at a Route10 expo is banned from all Richmond shows and he will ban them from doing Hamburg shows aswell. Personally I don't feel like that is correct and vendors should have a choice where they would like to vend. If that's how Larry choose to run his business that's fine with us. If a vendor makes $1800 at a route10 show and $3000 at a Richmond show that vendor just made $4800 so having to make a choice seems alil extreme. All that drama is for the birds, vendors just want to be at a place where they can have a good time, meet ppl and make some extra money. Just want to clear the air Route10 is for the people by the people we have no drama with anyone and if you would like to come and meet your everyday enthusiast please come and enjoy what we have to offer. Competition is what drives us to do better, we put this show together so the everyday enthusiasts or smaller scale breeders can have a show where everyone is equal.

That is a shame to hear... I love ALL the expos, and the more the better, in my opinion. I agree, competition is what makes the business.

There both good shows, go to both you never know what you will find. Enjoy the reptiles, buy a few droll over a few more go home happy.

We attend both. Not yet up to vendor status for us but think the "having to choose" sucks.

so who all is going??!!

My work just changed my schedule, so everything else about my vacation/time off/hours got completely screwed up, but I'm off this Sunday! So I should be there

crap, actually i think i have work sunday.. dangit! oh well

We will be there.

Vendors list available on Route10 fb page https://www.facebook.com/pages/Route10-Exotic-Reptile-Expo/223993874292181?ref=ts

It doesn't make sense to me why people can't vend at any show, anywhere, at any time. The more tables a show has, the bigger the crowd and the more money will be made, so why would the person hosting the show care as long as there are vendors willing to pay the money to set up tables? Maybe I don't know the ins and outs of it, but it doesn't seem like it is profitable to turn vendors away.

It is a sad situation. It would be really nice if the promoters of the two shows could come to an agreement and work together.

Agreeds - either way we will be there... saw the vendor list:

Vendor List:
Off The Ark
Galaxy Ball
J.w. Connelly and Tamarah Bassett
Ryan Booths Reptiles
East Coast Reptile Breeders (ecrb)
Buck&chuck Reptiles
Joe Ellis reptiles
Shay rodent express
Kinion and Steve Sober
Infinity Dragons
Ancient Reptiles
John Looker
Sandra Sanjakdar cresteds
Arachnids RVA
Faye & Jacob Reptiles

I plan on coming tomorrow. Just wondering but if any of the vendors are interested in a 5 gallon rimless saltwater tank with everything (led lighting, live rock, sand, pumps, and whatever else I can find) I can bring it with me. I am new to the forum and trying to pick up a baby snake of some sort. Just pm me if you are interested. If this post is not allowed I am sorry and mods feel free to delete it.

Thanks to everyone for showing support, hope to see everyone there. Vinny and myself thank each and everyone of you for helping us grow. Route10 is for the people and by the people, we are drama free and we enjoy being plane old reptile enthusiast.

woah, that sounds like a sweet show, lots of vendors. i've never dealt with them personally, but from what i hear ecrb is great.

Galaxy ball wrote:

Thanks to everyone for showing support, hope to see everyone there. Vinny and myself thank each and everyone of you for helping us grow. Route10 is for the people and by the people, we are drama free and we enjoy being plane old reptile enthusiast.

now thats chill. great statement!

What most of us HAVE to realize is that we are a SMALL community, most other people do not understand us and/or do not like us and our hobby. If we do not stick together now and in the future we will splinter, wither and be consumed by the 99% of the others.

Vinny tommorow shall be a good day, looking forward for this show.

We have already splintered into two shows where vendors have to choose. We are not really sticking together because of the issues between the two promoters. If you really wanted to bring everyone together, you would work out the issues with Larry. I'd like to be able to vend Route 10, Manassas, Richmond and Hamburg. How about helping make that happen, Vinny and Troy!

Vinny and Troy reached out to larry plenty of times, larry said the only way to get along if we shut down route10. Don since you like to constantly bring this nonsense up why dont you play mediator. Vendors are putting there foot down so if you want to dwell on old news thats fine. Where moving forward, if you choose to let larry threaten where your allowed to vend i figure you should start there. Look at our vendor list and tell me thats not bringing the community together.

Troy, it is not old news. It is happening right now. I don't constantly bring this "nonsense up". You force it out by saying there is no problem, when there is a problem. You say there is no drama, but there is. All I'm doing is trying to bring these issues to the fore front so everyone knows that there is a problem. Sweeping it under the rug doesn't help. Seeing there is a problem and looking for solutions does help. I am not the enemy here. I really want both of these shows to be a success. I want a solution!

If you think I can be a mediator between the conversation between you and Larry, I'm happy to do so. First, I need to hear your side of the story and I will be happy to tell you what I've picked up from other sources. If you truly want to work this out, I am willing to help. Like I said, I want to be able to vend all of the shows. I'm looking for solutions.

I hope a resolution can be reached :c I have plans on going to both Route 10 and Richmond. It makes me really sad to see such a rift in our small circle. We should be focusing on common enemies like ignorance and poorly-conceived legislature rather than attacking and disagreeing with each other :c

I hope you all can figure something out that makes everyone happy.

My honest opinion on the subject at hand between the two promoters of the show's is as fallow's

I know both Vinny and Troy and I've known them for some time now Vinny for about 5 years and Troy for about 2-3 years and I'm proud to say that and with what they done with the Route 10 show... The route 10 show was put together after Larry cancelled a Richmond Expo last minute because a larger wholesaler/importer was vending another show elsewhere. After the PEOPLE in Richmond voiced their concerns and where more less upset as they where looking forward to the show Vinny and Troy after hearing from many people on how we should put together a show to ensure this wouldn't happen again and to give the people what they want.
Larry got upset and seen it as someone trying to step on his shoe's and take away his spotlight which wasn't was ANYONE was trying to do.
I know both Troy and Vinny have no problem with Larry at all, Larry implied that the Richmond show helped pay his mortgage ( asinine remark if you ask me...) and that Vinny and Troy where taking away from His customer's, so he also felt financially attacked by them as well.
Vinny and Troy would like the vendors to be able NOT TO CHOOSE between which show's they can vend because that's what the people want.
Larry on the other hand doesn't he want's them out of business and to stop the show all together.

I know I'm very opinionated and not liked by a lot of people personally I really don't care Larry was and is acting childish over a bunch of NONSENSE. Maybe Larry will change his mind and let both show's go and run peacefully without making the vendor's choose which show to vend.

Bottom line the Route 10 Reptile Expo was put together after Larry cancelled a previous Richmond Reptile Expo because a large vendor was going to be elsewhere at another show. This alone should tell you and show you Larry's prime motive is money fueled and really has nothing to do with the animals at hand even though many vendor's who where scheduled to vend Larry's show told him they still wanted to have that show and wold like to vend even without the larger wholesaler/importer there ( Which is good because what hobbyist can sell there animals for a decent price when a company is tabled next to them and their price's are nearly half of what the hobbyist is asking and lower ) Larry still cancelled the show. Basically showing the people he didn't care IMO anyway.

Now I know one person who will read this and will go tell Larry please do... I'm already not his favorite person because I voiced my opinion publicly when he cancelled the Richmond Expo and said how I felt about his little rent comment.

last comment I make regarding the situation at hand before I get carried away and Nick has to push me out the door...

I see plenty of people asking/complaining/talking to Vinny and Troy about the so called "beef" between the promoter's of the two shows... But no one ever want's to address or is asking/complaining/talking to Larry about the situation at hand... My question is Why? Why not ask Larry or speak to him about and the situation and tell him that he needs to stop making possible vendor's choose between the shows? Is it because he's a bigger name in the industry and people are afraid that he'll stop them from vending his shows if they speak out??
Personally I don't care if I'm able to EVER vend a show that Larry put's together... the reason being is he'll have bigger names in the industry ( some of which are his friends vend certain shows of his) and will flat out tell the "little" people vending the same show or selling something that they sell at his showthat the bigger names sell's they the "little people" can't bring that animal and or product. Basically allowing a monopoly to continue.

There are some good points to both sides of the story and I truly wish this wasn't going on. For one, it is impeding on us breeders with making us having to choose what expo we want to vend at rather than doing both as has been discussed on this thread numerous times. I don't personally see how one show can take that much away from another if they are spaced out correctly??

Also, I am not one to get in the middle of all of this but would like to see it resolved FOR THE PEOPLE! So whatever BS is going on behind the scenes needs to stop and both parties need to step up and figure out how this problem can be solved so that both parties are happy. It isn't that hard and it takes two to do this. So I don't want to hear any more fingers being pointed at eachother and I would like the problem to be fixed ASAP as I am sure the rest of the local hobbyist would like as well.

The Route 10 expo has some great potential, I stopped by today to see what it was all about and personally it was nothing to special. There were some small little gems that most probably didn't even notice that were there because a lot of hobbyist around here are strictly driven towards ball pythons and your general pet store reptiles (nothing wrong with them). When I go to an expo I personally want to see high quality animals bred by small scale breeders or specialty breeders (no middleman type stuff; i.e ones who trade and buy to sell for a higher price etc. and really don't keep or breed their own stuff) I also like to see reptiles that aren't available at pet stores except for you can get that stuff cheaper than the outrageous markups some stores put on things.

Just my two cents and I am sorry I am rambling on as I am trying to piece together all the things running through my mind right now.

I'm not going to push anyone, anywhere as long as we play nice, no profanity, no name calling or any of the common respects. This is a serious topic.

My personal opinion, these are the only details I've found and have to go off of. I want to vend both shows soon. I don't know either party but honestly, if I had to choose (which it seems like we have to), I would be more inclined to go with the one that isn't threatening me or will tell me I'm not allowed in at the door. That's not what I'm looking for in a hobby, although, I haven't seen this detail posted anywhere by him but it's still not a chance I would want to take. I've heard it from many people now and with eggs getting ready to hatch, I'll be stuck in a crappy position soon.

When it comes down to it, this area is simply not large enough to support two reptile shows so close together. I imagine reptile enthusiasts on this site may attend both but the vast majority of the public is not going to spend the gas, travel time, and admission fee to attend two shows, two weeks apart.

In the future, one of these two shows is going to simply fold up shop, or it's going to have be moved to a different date. I'm not sure why the Route 10 expo has to be held right before the Richmond Expo? Any reason it can't be held in a different month when the public is recharged and vendors have fresh stock? Maybe Larry would lift the vendor ban if this show wasn't so blatantly pinned up against his? Then everyone from the show promoters, the vendors, and the PUBLIC could win with more shows spaced reasonably throughout the year. I would love to attend and vend both shows as well as have more shows during other months of the year.

Well said Brian.....but I especially agree with why did Route 10 make their show right before the richmond expo??....seems kind of a hole-ish to me? If they were to make it a month apart from each other or something like that I don't see why this area could not support it. Y'all act like richmond is small, and it is nothing close to small.....granted its not any huge city, but with the right publicity, both of these venues could thrive.

So back on what I was saying they both need to man up and talk to each other civilly and come to terms that both of them can agree upon. If there was something that was agreed upon before the Route 10 expo even started then thats another story and it seems as if someone needs to clean up their act. Either way, something needs to change because it is ridiculous. We aren't in grade school anymore. Grow UP and fix the issue to meet the needs of both parties or whatever had been agreed upon originally.


I rest my case and hope that some people can put some big boy pants on and fix this bs issue

Given the problems Route 10 had with its venue and dates, I don't think the date they picked (today) was necessarily meant as an insult or an encroachment on Richmond. I think it was the best date they could pick once their venue and vendors were confirmed, while still giving people enough time to see that it had been rescheduled and to make plans to attend.

I would love if they were spaced out slightly more. It sucks having to wait 3-4 months between expos, even if it would mean being able to go to two relatively close together.

But that's just my opinion. I like to think that this wasn't done as an insult. I had fun today, even if I left early because I was doing ramen-noodle-every-meal-math to justify buying things I couldn't afford and because I have the social skills of a rabid wolverine with a splinter in its foot.

went to route 10 today and had a good time. (except the heat lol) but picked up 2 new girls for our projects and couldn't be happier.

Again thanks to everyone for coming and showing support. In all honesty the show date was not done on purpose and it wasnt done to make Larry upset. We canceled 2 shows in a row so we had to push it back and get everything situated. I keep on hearing about behind the scenes, there is nothing going on behind the the scenes with route10. Every show date have to be carefully planned. We have to check all other show dates to make sure we dont clash with a bigger show or a show that's closer. To clear the air we have reached out to larry and offered him free tables at our show, even went as far as telling him he can promote richmond at a route10 expo. We dont talk bad about larry, we called larry plenty of times and asked what can we do to make this work and he said shut down route10. Larry have spread rumors, larry have made threats and where constantly battling some kind of situation. How can you make someone work with you if your only option is to shut down? It will not happen and wont happen, we started as a small show and where still a small show. We work hard and we try hard to make everyone happy. We did what we had to do, our britches are up baby. If he feel like our only option is to shut down I cant see it happening. Ask ourself one question can Conely herps say to larry, hey Carl gilmore is direct competiotion and I dont want him vending richmond anymore. Larry will tell you know he cant do that, it's about bills getting paid.

glad to hear that something has been initiated in the least!! Again, I am not one to point fingers or pick sides, just wish this would get cleared up. Anyone has the freedom to start and do whatever they want practically and I don't see what the issue was in the first place about having another expo in VA? Other states have multiple and have them often.

I don't understand the last sentence or two you posted? besides the face that larry supposedly is all about himself and trying to pay his bills; honestly when it comes down to it everyone is trying to come out on top and make a little cash.. lol. I do understand when y'all state y'all want to make everyone happy and that is what really counts besides making a little extra cash on top of it all.

I had a good time at the show despite a little heat and I sweat easily so I was needing a sweat rag after my first round around the showroom. Look forward to seeing y'all grow as I love reptiles and especially reptile events!! I just hope all of this nonsense will get resolved one day down the road (hopefully sooner than later and everyone can benefit from it)

I've known Larry for over a decade. I do not know him well, but the business transactions I've had with him went well and I would do business with him again. Perhaps the Route 10 Reptile Expo is harming Larry financially and that is the reason he is objecting to it? (If he is. I know nothing of this situation.)

If you think it would be beneficial, I can suggest to Larry that visit this site and give his side of the story?

I don't know if that would be the right way to go about it....