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Shelleyshadows VaHerps Crew
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| Subject: Neurological issues in striped corns? Tue Dec 24, 2013 1:37 pm | |
| I own two corn snakes, one amelanistic and one caramel stripe corn. I have had my caramel stripe well over a year now, but she has just now started showing signs that I can only compare to bad "wobble" in spider balls. I found a small discussion about this on another forum from awhile ago, but didn't really find any useful info. Does anyone know about this? She has always eaten fine, up until recently. However, she just shed today, so I presume that could be why.
This morning she was moving around in her vision cage fine. I went to clean it, took her out, and her body got kind of stiff, she shook a little and started contorting her body all weird... I haven't seen this until recently /: it's very sad to see, and being the holiday season, I can't exactly get her to a vet right away. She seems to be fine now, coiled on her log. I'm just afraid I will take her to the vet and there won't be anything they can do for her. *sigh* | |
| | | jw VaHerp Board Member+
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| Subject: Re: Neurological issues in striped corns? Tue Dec 24, 2013 8:08 pm | |
| Are you using any new cleaning products, insecticides or other chemicals in or near the enclosure? Are the temperatures within the enclosure correct? | |
| | | smd58 VaHerp Board Member
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| Subject: Re: Neurological issues in striped corns? Tue Dec 24, 2013 9:43 pm | |
| I use to keep corns, never had this problem in them. But, I've seen prevent a mite cause this when snakes are put back in a cage that the spray is not dry yet. | |
| | | Shelleyshadows VaHerps Crew
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| Subject: Re: Neurological issues in striped corns? Tue Dec 24, 2013 11:59 pm | |
| Haven't been using anything out of the ordinary lately /: to clean the enclosures I use Dawn And hot water and I always make sure to rinse really well & dry. Her temperatures are consistent, with a hot side(80-82)and a cold side(70-72). I mean, all my other snakes are fine. Even my bumblebee's wobble isn't that bad. She's moving around and acting fine now, I've seen her drink and she's been popping regularly, I'm pretty stumped. This afternoon was the first and only time I've seen her behave that way. | |
| | | RalphMills VaHerp Senior Crew
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| Subject: Re: Neurological issues in striped corns? Thu Dec 26, 2013 12:49 am | |
| Where is this discussion you read about striped corns and neurological disorders? I've kept many types of striped corns and have not had any health issues. | |
| | | Shelleyshadows VaHerps Crew
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| Subject: Re: Neurological issues in striped corns? Thu Dec 26, 2013 9:57 am | |
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| | | jw VaHerp Board Member+
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| Subject: Re: Neurological issues in striped corns? Thu Dec 26, 2013 4:33 pm | |
| Striped corns/ratsnakes can be produced by incubating eggs at or very near the maximum survivable incubation temperature. The heat induced striped snakes that survived typical had issues and of course the trait wasn't genetic so the offspring were normal.
Shelley, is it possible you had hand sanitizer, lotion or some other chemical on your hands?
Hopefully, the snake with remain normal. As a precaution I would quarantine the snake in question. | |
| | | Shelleyshadows VaHerps Crew
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| Subject: Re: Neurological issues in striped corns? Mon Dec 30, 2013 11:58 am | |
| I'm really careful with lotions and stuff around my snakes. Everything is clean. I re-cleaned her cage with just hot water, and she seemed to be fine even though she refused food. But she had another episode this morning. Out of nowhere. I researched, and this is behavior dehydrated snakes show. She has a constant water source, but I soaked her for 10 minutes in lukewarm water, just in case. I don't think coloubrids can get IBD? She acts normal before and after these "episodes." I know it's time for a vet appointment. | |
| | | bcr229 VaHerp Senior Crew
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| Subject: Re: Neurological issues in striped corns? Mon Dec 30, 2013 6:08 pm | |
| - Shelleyshadows wrote:
- I researched, and this is behavior dehydrated snakes show.
What do you feed her? | |
| | | Shelleyshadows VaHerps Crew
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| Subject: Re: Neurological issues in striped corns? Mon Dec 30, 2013 6:36 pm | |
| When I bought her, the guy told me it is better to feed corns in smaller, more frequent meals, so she would get two hopper mice a week. These are the same hoppers I feed to my hatchling balls. I would just normally toss in the f/t mice, one at a time, and she would go for it right away. I've had her for awhile and this is the first time I'm seeing this behavior. She isn't near any of the other snakes just in case.
I want to take her to the vet. I plan to, actually, but I don't get paid until Friday, and I definitely won't have hundreds of dollars to put into tests and whatnot. I'm still recovering from Christmas. | |
| | | bcr229 VaHerp Senior Crew
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| Subject: Re: Neurological issues in striped corns? Mon Dec 30, 2013 10:52 pm | |
| Got it, I was just remembering a thread I was reading about garters, and how people feeding them frozen tilapia to avoid thiaminase issues ended up with their snakes getting dehydrated due to the preservative sodium tripolyphosphate which is often used in it. It's a salt and snakes don't process it well, so they end up dehydrated and with kidney issues.
I wasn't sure if fish was a normal part of a corn snake's diet or not, which is why I asked.
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| | | Shelleyshadows VaHerps Crew
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| Subject: Re: Neurological issues in striped corns? Mon Dec 30, 2013 10:53 pm | |
| Oh I see. Nope, can't say she's ever had fish. I actually snapped a picture of what she was doing earlier, I'll try to upload it when I get to a computer | |
| | | ClarkeReptiles VaHerp Senior Crew
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| Subject: Re: Neurological issues in striped corns? Tue Dec 31, 2013 3:17 pm | |
| I have a striped corn and he displays no neurological problems. Your husbandry sounds fine (though I feed my corns just like my ball pythons. 1 normal sized meal every 7-10 days). The only things that spring to mind is some kind of chemical/substance she's coming into contact with or an incubation issue. However the fact that its just starting now makes incubation issues unlikely. I have had snakes that had incubation issues (one of my pinstripes had a spider-like wobble for a while but this was evident from the time she hatched. It improved with time and now she no longer shows any neurological issues. | |
| | | Shelleyshadows VaHerps Crew
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| Subject: Re: Neurological issues in striped corns? Tue Dec 31, 2013 8:46 pm | |
| I would have thought if it was a previously existing condition, I would have noticed it. I keep her on the same newspaper all my other snakes are on, and I use the same dawn-water cleaning solution for all my tubs and cages too. I tried cleaning with just water and it didn't seem to help her. She seems calm now. Hasn't had an "episode" since yesterday | |
| | | ClarkeReptiles VaHerp Senior Crew
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| Subject: Re: Neurological issues in striped corns? Tue Dec 31, 2013 10:31 pm | |
| Is there anything you are spraying in the rest of the house? Fabreeze, cleaners, etc that could be getting into the air or ventilation? | |
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